Revealing Lost Secrets is Sometimes a Matter of Simply Geometry

Revealing Lost Secrets of Prehistoric Times

Revealing Lost Secrets of Prehistoric Times. The key to deciphering many ancient mysteries starts with a circle and its diameter. The diameter must have a special measure. By number it is 352. The circumference around 352 becomes 1106. By equation, 352 x π = 1105.840614… Rounded up this becomes 1106. From the featured picture, we then construct the image pictured immediately below. Incidentally, it is not a co-incidence the ancient diatonic scale, the tone “F”  vibrated 352 x per second. Ancient, neolithic architecture used the numbers of vibrations per second of the diatonic scale to measure sacred sites. Read more free blogs on

Every Neolithic sacred site builder started with the pictured diagram below in hand. It has also been preserved for safe keeping in Deuteronomy. One of the most significant verses is Deuteronomy 6:4, the Shema Yisrael, which has become the definitive statement of Jewish identity: “Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.” Verses 6:4–5 were also quoted by Jesus in Mark 12:28–34 as part of the Great Commandment.

Revealing Lost Secrets  –  Answers Found In Deuteronomy 6:3-4

Revealing lost secrets of how “Milk and Honey” as the last words of Deuteronomy 6:3 by gematria is  352. This becomes the diameter of 1106 numerical value the 6 most sacred words in Judaism: In the Hebrew prayer book, called the Siddur.  In the Siddur, the Divine name is spelled with a double yud  י י‎)‎ ).  The double yud then occurs twice in the first six words of Deuteronomy 6:4. (see featured picture).  The gematria of the 6 words (with the double yud spelling of the Divinity) becomes 1106.

In the actual scroll of the Torah (as opposed to the Siddur) the 4 letter tetragrammaton is used יהוה)  ), not the double yud. That adds letters and numerical value. The six word numerical  sum of  Deuteronomy 6:4  with the 4 letter name becomes 1,118. That expresses a different aspect of geometry: It is, the measure of a a diagonal of a square that bisects the opposite side of the square.  This “half diagonal” is longer than any side of the square by 1.118. Looking at the two spelling of the Creator’s  name we then have the following:

  1. The siddur (prayer book)  spelling with the double “yud” represents a diameter crossing a circle. Its total is 1106.
  2. The Torah spelling of the 4 letter name represents the ratio by which a half diagonal is longer than any side of a square. Its total is 1118. See picture below.
  3. In light of this blog, the “squaring the circle” takes on yet another meaning.  The square and circle in this blog duplicate function of the two primary Masonic instruments: the square and the compass.

Vast Ancient Temple Plan is the Backbone of the Bible

Vast Ancient Temple Plan is Based on Music

Vast Ancient Temple Plan is Based on Music. The outer hexagon is greater than the inner by the ratio of 3/2. That is the ratio of the higher note of a perfect fifth to the lower in terms of vibrations per second. First, what is the Ancient Temple Plan?

  • It is a master blueprint used since prehistoric times for measuring temples by musical ratios. It is based on musical tones and geometry.  Numbers used in the plan are those enumerating vibrations per second of the various tones of the ancient diatonic scale. The geometry used is based on the  central circle of the seven as in the featured picture. It is crossed by three equidistant diameters through central point “D”.   In the ancient temple plan, any one of  these three diameters ( FE, RG or LK)  equals 352.
  • Why 352 by number only with no attached measures? The answer in a word is gematria.  So what is gematria? /ɡəˈm.tri.ə/ originated as an Assyro-Babylonian-Greek system of alphanumeric code/cipher later adopted into Jewish culture that assigns numerical value to a word/name/phrase in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other or bear some relation to the number itself as it may apply to Nature, a person’s age, the calendar year, or the like.
  • In Judaism word appear together in the Torah. They are milk and honey. They have a combined gematria of 352. These key words appear in a prime place: Deuteronomy 6:3. With the very next line, being, Deuteronomy 6:4, we find the opening 6 words of the  most sacred prayer in Judaism- the “Shema Yisroel”.
    and honey.וּדְבָֽשׁ׃u·de·vash.1706honey

So where is the music? The tone “F” above what we would call middle “C”  vibrates in the diatonic scale  at the rate of 352 times per second. This equals the 352 Hebrew gematria by letters of “milk and honey. The old diatonic “Middle “C” vibrated 264 times per second. “C”. The next higher octave, 528 “C”, is one octave higher than middle “C”. This higher “C” is also in the ancient temple plan. Each side of the larger hexagon measures 528 by number.  Ancient unearthed instruments prove the vibrations per second of the notes or tones of this diatonic scale.

Vast Ancient Temple Plan Holds the 3/2 Musical Fifth Ratio

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Gerard van Honthorst – King David Playing the Harp

Let’s look at the following for a model. Refer to the featured picture to read the lines by letters.

  • Triangle MPD forms an equilateral triangle. Each side is 352.
  • Extend DP to point “O”
  • Or extend DM to point “N”

In a view of the vast ancient temple plan, an inclusive new triangle is defined by DNO. It includes DMP.  Thus DNO than DPM by the ratio of 3/2.  We see that 352 x 3/2 = 528. We now have a second tone in terms of vibrations per second. The “C” 528 vibrations per second is one octave higher than the diatonic middle “C” of 264 vibrations per second. This is significant because in ancient and modern systems, all tuning is based on fifths. Music by numbers applied to vibrations per second of music tones fill the ancient temple plan. Its inclusion of the ratios of perfect harmony calls for the following: Rebuilding the sites all over the world that were once conceived by this plan. Future blogs as well as some already on the website will cover or have already covered this topic.

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The goal of building by the math of sound pleasing ratios of  musical tones was to have the same ratios please the visual sense in architecture. These qualities need to find their way into our collective culture.




Greco-Hebraic Bond Through THis Design

Greco-Hebraic Bond by Number 3168

Greco-Hebraic Bond by Number 3168. This “3168” figure is virtually ubiquitous throughout the ancient world. John Michell discusses 3168 in City of Revelation. Chapter VII is entitled: 3168, the Perimeter of the Temple.  He also discusses how the number ties into measurement. Here is a brief excerpt.

  • 31,680 inches = ½ mile.
  • 31,680 feet = 6 miles
  • 31,680 furlongs (660 feet) = radius of the Earth (3,960 miles).
  • By an ancient science called gematria, the Greeks equated 3168 with “Lord Jesus Christ.” See City of Revelation p.82. This is found in the ancient Greek practice of equating numbers and letters called gematria. Hebrew does the same. So do many ancient languages.
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Greco-Hebraic Bond is Quite Unique

In my featured picture above we have the blueprint and numbers of “the ancient temple plan.” Here we find the Greco-Hebraic bond. This is a source of ancient building. The idea was to draw on the numbers of this blueprint. Whatever units of measure you used didn’t matter. The idea was to draw on the numbers. It could be numbers in shorter Egyptian cubits (1.718 feet) , Palestinian cubits (2.107 feet) , English yards (3 feet) or even megalithic yards (2.72 feet).  Please notice the outer hexagon  numbers 528 on each side. Multiply number 528 by the 6 sides of the hexagon and we have: 528 x 6 = 3168.

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A spirit hovers around pure, spring fed Oquaga Lake

You are probably wondering how or where I discovered this ancient temple plan. I found it on beautiful Oquaga Lake. While I was hiking, the Oquaga Spirit offered me the vision in the featured blog picture. This spirit has became a part of my life. This is true even when I am away from Oquaga Lake. I’ve memorized every poem this spirit has dictated. I recite the poems to myself daily. The result was the poetry book entitled, The Oquaga Spirit Speaks. From the Greco-Hebraic bond to wisdom about number squares, the spirit freely offered knowledge to me. In turn I am sharing her knowledge with you.



Atlantean lore animates this number square.

Atlantean Leanings on the 3 x 3 Number Square

Atlantean Leanings on the 3 x 3 Number Square. This will require many blogs. First, learn two hidden ways of reading this number square given below.  Many of my blogs are about its codes. They extend to infinity. Atlantis and its history animates this square.  Most obvious, King Uranus had 45 children by different wives. The totals the numbers of the featured square  (numbers 1 thru 9). Ancients recognized not only the obvious code where any row of three totals 15,  but two hidden codes. This gave rise to three centers and three perimeters. Notice, the illustration below has three land masses (centers) surrounded by three canals (perimeters). The obvious one is 5 surrounded by the 8 numbers that total 40. Here are two more:

  • View the square by 3 numbers at the time. Pair them by opposites. Also, any three numbers that cross the center is its own opposite number. Their sum is always 1,110. Example, 492 + 618 = 1,110.  Or, 951 + 159 = 1,110. The center becomes 555. The four sides of the perimeter total 2,220.
  • View the square 2 numbers at the time by opposites. Any two numbers that crosses the center are paired in the same row. The sum is always 110. Thus, 49 + 61 = 110. Or, 35 + 75 = 110.              The 110 can be pulled out of the square in 16 ways. Thus, 16 X 110 = 1,760. The center then becomes 55. It is surrounded by 440.
A computer graphic shows the concentric rings that may have existed during Atlantis' ancient heyday. This Atlantean illustration lays out the 3-fold nature of the 1st number square.
The Atlantean picture of 3 concentric rings of land and water. They represent the center-perimeter on three levels of the square of Saturn (3 x 3). Saturn was a king in Atlantis.
The Atlantean empire in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean
Atlantis was allegedly located between Africa and America.

A map showing the supposed extent of the Atlantean Empire. From Ignatius L. Donnelly‘s Atlantis: the Antediluvian World, 1882.[48]

Another demonstration of the square and Atlantis involves the Titans. There were 18 of them as opposed to 27 other children. Both totals demonstrate properties of the 3 x 3 number square. Let’s play tick-tack-toe: The length or width of the square is the length of 3 boxes. The diagonal becomes 1,412…. times longer than the length of any of the square’s sides. The length of the diagonal of a square is expressed by  √2 x the length of a side. In this case, √2  x 3 = 4.24264…It just so happens that 4.24264…when squared equals 18. We have the 18 Titans.  I’ve also blogged about how 18, and the entire  number square structures the periodic chart.  In the case of the present blog, it shows Atlantean mastery of the 3 x 3 square.

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So Where are the other Atlantean 27 Children, You Ask?

The 3 x 3 magic square has three manifestations primarily used by the ancients. They are by ones, tens and hundreds. It takes three tick-tack-toe boards to define this characteristic. Thus 3 x 9 (boxes per manifestation) = 27. Watch for more blogs on Atlantis. Since this is my 250th blog, I felt it had to be special.  Enjoy!

Peaceful training as per the Oquaga Spirit

Mesolithic Times Had a Unique Standard

Mesolithic Times Had a Unique Standard. Where did I come this knowledge that few know about? I was the piano player at Scotts Oquaga Lake House. An Indian spirit guide that dwells around the lake instructed me in the ways of antiquity.  I’m quite sure that those  who read this blog will not be familiar with most of what they will read. The Mesolithic era began about 8000 bce, after the end of the Pleistocene Epoch (i.e., about 2,600,000 to 11,700 years ago), and lasted until about 2700 bce. At that time (2700 bce) it has been postulated that the Great Pyramid and Stonehenge may have been constructed. These structures code the knowledge of earlier times that this blog and other blogs on will illustrate.

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The five regular polyhedrons (Platonic Solids) are a geometrical construct of the 3 x 3 number square. Mesolithic cultures had knowledge of this. Our civilization today mostly does not.

The high priests of the Mesolithic culture worked extensively with the 3 x 3 number square
Mesolitic culture worked with the 3 x 3 number square. The high priests of various countries knew of its secrets.

The 3 x 3 number square holds numbers one to nine. Any straight row of three totals 15. However, it also contains a plethora of hidden number codes. If you wish to understand a few, click on-Mysteries of Music Unearthed By Tick-Tack-Toe.  I’ve blogged about its use at Teotihuacan.  Many of my blogs are about its hidden number codes. This square was the cornerstone of not only Mesolithic cultures; but even of civilizations before the great deluge described in the story of Noah.  Understanding its manner of operation  promises a path to  peace for today. Here is an excerpt for my still unpublished Staff of God, Volume 1, inspired by the Oquaga Spirit.  Its entire 424 pages are written in quatrains. The  quatrains below describe  but a small fraction of  how this number square relates to the Platonic Solids. 

Numbers one to nine are arranged in a unique way
Above is the traditional arrangement of the 3 x 3 square.  It can be arranged in other ways.
As used by the 5 regular polyhedrons (pictured above)
Nine can also be found in several ways. Here are two:

The tetrahedron is the basic unit of the five.
By vertices, its 4 triangles total 720º (4 x 180° per triangle).  Then 7 + 2 + 0 = 9.
The solid whose faces contain  the most degrees of the 5 is the dodecahedron
With 9 x 720° = 6,480°. (This is exactly 9 x the  tetrahedron’with 720° degrees).  (9 x 720 = 6480).  Its second way is,  6 + 4 + 8 + 0 = 18. Then 1 + 8 = 9.

With the remaining three solids: Cube has 2,160°. Each of its 6 squares has 360°. Thus, 6 x 360 = 2160.Then  2 + 1 + 6 + 0 = 9.
Icosahedron has 20 triangles. Every triangle has 180°. Thus, 20 x 180 = 360o. Then 3 + 6 + 0 + 0 = 9
Then there’s the octahedron with 8 triangles. 8 x 180° = 1440. Then 1 + 4 + 4 + 0 = 9.
In content and quality number 9 imbues the  regular solids.

This is my 248th blog. At this time I plan 1001. Please keep checking. They are easy to find. Just click below on :


Home of the Oquaga spirit who told me secrets that included those of Mesolithic Cultures
Oquaga Lake is shaped like the outline of a bear.
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Gauges of antiquity also come from an isosceles Right Triangle

Gauges of a pre-Genesis Lost World are Uncovered

Gauges of a Lost World are found in an  Isosceles Right Triangle . The shorter legs in this triangle are each 12 British inches in length. A foot long ruler graphically illustrates the length.  Why did I say also? At the turn of the 1900’s Jay Hambidge made a significant discovery. He discovered an ancient canon of measures.  They were derived from a square that measured one Egyptian remen on each side (1.2165 feet). The quote of measures below is  from, Peace Can Be Uncovered by Discovering the Distant Past.  This is the title of my post on Currently I have over 240 posts.

Jay Hambidge multiplied the  remen by the square roots of 2,3,4,5,etc…… He found that:

  • 1.2165 x square root of 2 =1.72 feet.One royal cubit
  • 1.2165 x square root of   3 =2.107 feet. One Palestinian cubit.
  • 1.2165 x square root of 4 = 2.433 feet. One Roman pace.
  • 1.2165 x square root of 5 = 2.72 feet, One megalithic yard.
  • 1.2165 x square root of 6 =  2.98 feet (virtually one British yard).

These same measure labels are close to duplication the isosceles right triangle in the featured picture.

Gauges of antiquity lie within the cnfines of a 12 inch foot
Even the gauge of a  classical caliper can also duplicate a multitude of measurements derived from the British 12 inch foot in the remote past.

Remen is the measure of each side of the initial square marked by AKB and the ight end of arrow "V1". The half diagonal of the initial square, AKB and 4th point,( the right end of line V1,)  is 1.118 tones longer than any side. Each side of the initial square gauges a remen of 1,2165 feet.  The half diagonal is not in this particular  illustration. The half diagonal is elaborated on in City of Revelation by John Michell. Above picture is the  Jay Hambidge drawing of the dynamic rectangle from “The Elements of Dynamic Symmetry,” Dover Art Instruction, 1926. Lines  BC and AC in the Golden Triangle are both 12 British inches. The hypotenuse becomes longer by the   √2 = 16.97 inches.  Next, draw the altitude of this triangle. This is from corner “C” to the line that bisects AB in the featured picture. We’ll call this point “D”. It is virtually 8.5 inches or ½ the length of the hypotenuse. .   We have the following figures for comparison to the Hambidge model:

  • AB + BD = 1.707 feet. Hambidge’s figure is 1.718 feet which is hishorter Egyptian cubit
  • AB + AC = 2.707 feet. Hambidge’s is 2.72 feet which is his  megalithic yard.
  • CD + CA = 1.207 feet. Hambidge’s is  1.2165 feet which is the Egyptian remen.
  • Most remarkable: The perimeter around the triangle is gauges 3.41 feet. This is the Central American measure of the Hunab. I have blogged about how this measure most likely preceded the formal creation in Genesis. It is not in Jay Hambidge’s canon. It equates by gematria (341).  Aleph, the 1st letter= 1. Mem, the second letter = 40. Shin, the third letter = 300. Thus 1 + 40 + 300 = 341. Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan disucsses Emesh in Sefer Yitzirah: The Book of Creation-in Theory and Practice. Chapter 3, section 2. 
  • Strong’s Concordance
    emesh: yesterday

    Original Word: אָ֫מֶשׁ
    Part of Speech: Adverb
    Transliteration: emesh
    Phonetic Spelling: (eh’-mesh)
    Short Definition: yesterday

Teotihuacan and many sites in Central American were measured by the hunab. Ref. Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids by Peter Tompkins. Hence my theory is: The Golden Isoseles  Triangle was used for measure a world that was destroyed i.e. before creation found in Genesis 1 :2- When the world was “unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.” When measure was once more standardized, it used the canon of measures rediscovered by Hambidge.


yin characterizes Oquaga Lake at sunset. as it receives the light from the setting sun.

Water as yin and #1080 Referred to the Same Principle

Water as Yin and #1080 Referred to the Same Principle. It receives the energy from yang.  With the featured picture the water of Oquaga Lake, it receives the in coming light from the sunset.  Yin and water were  thought of as female. Yang and jagged mountains were male. Yin is the essence of the central circle of Tif’eret pictured below.  In the picture 8 paths are connected to it. So where is 1080 in Tif-eret?


The Sephirot in Jewish Kabbalah

The Sefirot in Jewish Kabbalah

  • Tif’eret is connected to 1080, the ancient principle of yin as follows: Eight paths (the straight lines) lead to and from this emanation. In effect they can be seen as outlining an octagon. An octagon has eight sides and eight angles. Each angle is 135 degrees. Thus,  8 x 135 = 1080.
  • In ancient Hebrew letters doubled as numbers. There was only one notation for both. Thus, “aleph” actually was “A” and  number “1”. This was called gematria.  Spell Tif’eret in Hebrew.  תפארת.  By gematria the letters total 1081. By the rule of gematria called “colel” one could be added or subtracted from a word. In Hebrew Tif’ereth  (1080) is at the core of the Tree of Life.
  • Tif’eret tempers yang and yin. Six was thought of as a yang number.  Tif’eret is the 6th circle or emanation. Although 8 paths radiate from it, the circle  is also surrounded by a hexagon: This is outlined by six circles.
  • 6 and 8 balance through their squares: 6² + 8² = 10². In effect they are as the shorter legs of  a 6-8-10 right triangle.

These eight paths were used by Buddha. He made them into  the eightfold noble path that led to the ideal state.  Confucius (below)  also based his philosophy on the Tree of Life model. In his commentary to the I Ching he states:

Water as yin and 1080 refer to the same principle
Confucius Also espoused numbers in his philosophy.

Change has an absolute limit:
This produces two modes;
Two modes produce four forms,
The four forms produce eight trigrams.

Paradise is at the core of these eight paths. The nature of paradise becomes “change.” We must be flexible to the flux and flow of cycles. Just like the story of Joseph in the Torah, (Genesis 41:37-57) there are cycles of good years and bad years. Those who expect good times will last forever are always disappointed. Likewise, those who bemoan the bad times must realize, they too will eventually give way to good times. How the Neolithic cultures also balanced  extremes of good and bad times will be the topic of future blogs. They saw time as a fourfold cyclic entity and structured their environment accordingly.

Measurements are in three primary units

Measurements at the Great Pyramid

Measurements at the Great Pyramid used 3 primary units. The foot, Egyptian cubit and megalithic yard.  They are to be found on plate XXII in The View Over Atlantis. First, a little background from WikipediaJohn Michell was an English author.  He was a prominent figure in the Earth mysteries movement. He published over forty books.

  • The megalithic yard is approximated by 2.72 feet.
  • The Egyptian cubit is the shorter of 1.718 feet.
  • The foot used was the standard 12 inch foot.

Author John Michell Goes into Great Depths on Measurements of Ancient Sites

Measurements of ancient holy sites play a prominent part in the works of John Michell
Michell, a master at uncovering the lost relationship of words and numbers.

What I have discovered: All three units are found in the 3 x 3 number square. All three units are co-measurable. One equals the other on a linear basis.

  • The perimeter of the base is 1,110 megalithic yards.
  • It measurements by feet are within a fraction, 3,024.
  • In the shorter Egyptian cubits (1.718 feet) 1760.

The 3 x 3 square uses numbers 1 to 9. Any row of three totals 15. An Indian spirit priestess from the Lennie Lenape tribe was my mentor. She taught me abut the hidden codes when i dwelled on  Oquaga Lake. I was the accompanist and pianist at Scott’s Oquaga Lake House for some 15 years.

Measurements of the Neolithiic and Mesolithic cultures came from this number square
Traditional arrangement of the 3 x 3 number square.
  • View the square by 3 numbers at the time. Pair them by opposites. Also, any three numbers that cross the center is its own opposite number. Their sum is always 1,110. Example, 492 + 618 = 1,110.  Or, 951 + 159 = 1,110.
  • View the square 2 numbers at the time by opposites. Any two numbers that crosses the center are paired in the same row. The sum is always 110. Thus, 49 + 61 = 110. Or, 35 + 75 = 110.              The 110 can be pulled out of the square in 16 ways. Thus, 16 X 110 = 1,760.
  • So where is the feet? How do we come by its 3,024? Remove the four corner numbers as 1,3,5, and 8. The 5 remaining numbers by tradition are called the gnomon. Multiply these 5 numbers: We have 4 x 9  x 2 x 7 x 6 = 3024. How about the corner, you ask? It enumerates the number of inches in a foot. First, keep in mind, the above number square freely multiplies or divides it significant sums by powers of 10.  It can go to the infinitely large or small. I already have  blogs explaining this. Just press “all posts” on Thus we have,  1 x 3 x 5 x 8 =  120.  Divide 120 by 10 = 12. This specifies the inches in the foot.
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Conclusion: What unifies us in turn makes us family. We need  treat each other with kindness and respect. I feel we are about to enter a wonderful new era of peace and plenty. God has blessed us. Finally, I have just received the best news while working on this blog. It will be posted as an event on Our new musical, Golden Roads, will headline a major Sarasota arts festival! Keep watching.




Lepenski Vir Proves the Ancient Use of Number Squares

Lepenski Vir, 11,000 years ago, used a Number Square

Lepenski Vir is Proof of the use and understanding of an Ancient Number Square.  A Mesolithic site on the Blue Danube used the codes of the square of three.  Lepenski Vir (Лепенски Вир, Lepen Whirl) is an important Mesolithic archaeological site located in Serbia in central Balkan peninsula The latest radiocarbon and AMS data suggests that the chronology of Lepenski Vir is compressed between 9500/7200-6000 BC.

Lepenski Vir used the square of three for the guiding light of peace.
The Lepenski Vir Museum in Yugoslavia

I learned of these codes from  a spirit. I call on her by the name, Oquaga Spirit. She was of the Lennie Lenope tribe.  They dwelled around Oquaga Lake. I worked for years at Scott’s Oquaga Lake House at my profession- a piano player. Below is an excerpt from my book, The Staff of God Volume One, ref. pg. 306.

The ruins of Lepenski Vir in Yugoslavia
The dimensions of Lepenski Vir prove Mesolithic knowledge of the 3 x 3 number square’s hidden codes.

The entire foundation area  (not all in the picture) is framed by a roughly rectangular shape frame of 185 x 55 yards. Over 1000’s of years the same dimensions have been used for many construction projects.  Some examples:

  • 185 yards equals 555 feet. George Washington’s Monument is  555 feet tall.
  • The blueprint of the Great Pyramid of Egypt dates back to 2,750 B.C. It is formed by interlocking two circles center to center. They each are 555 feet feet in diameter.

These two interlocking circles are at the heart of sacred building. These circles form the vesica piscis (vessel of the fish). Lepenski Vir mainly demonstrates understanding of the 3 x 3 square’s hidden mathematics. Here is some samples of how to find the 555 code: Take two sets of three opposite numbers. Add them together. Then divide them by two for an average: Examples are 492 + 618 = 1110. Divided by two = 555. Another example, 834 + 276 = 1110, Divided by two = 555. Ths simple number square is also the most complex. The builders its ancient foundation in Yugoslavia totally understood this.